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 Posted: Oct 30, 2009 - 02:00 AM
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| Found out I can get things like the 2" tail pipe, brackets, and even some other supports to raise the pipes up higher away from the ground for around $20, which is what I have on my AutoZone rewards card, so that works out nicely. ^^ I just need it to get here. |
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Posted: Oct 30, 2009 - 12:49 PM
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Posted: Oct 30, 2009 - 07:19 PM
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| If I do, I'm sure someone here will bump be back on before I do it. XD |
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Posted: Oct 30, 2009 - 08:22 PM
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 02:00 AM
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Filled up the tank this afternoon, and the numbers say I got around 24ish MPG (+/- 1 or so). I'm saying ish because of differences in when the handle "clicks" (and in Oregon you can't top off because people pump it for you), rough estimation of where the needle was before fillup and how much gas you actually used, etc.
Looks like the oil change and O2 sensor were good for no more than 2 MPG, which makes sense. Since I got the alignment done (even though the toe is fixed there's still something that's making it pull to the left) it'll probably show another half MPG or so. I also got the vortex generators in today and put those on. I've been told that they definitely change the feel of the car during driving, especially the feeling of getting pushed as a semi rolls by. We'll see how that is, since I normally go by 5 or so every day. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 06:05 PM
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For sake of clarity, when you say "pulls to the left", are you talking about pulling to the driver's or passenger's side? Depending on the condition of your 4 individual struts and 4 individual springs, adding your weight to the driver's side could make it roll and steer COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than how the car sits with no load in it.
The entire State of Oregon is "full service" i.e. EVERY station pumps your gas for you, checks your oil, etc ???
Try to fill up either first thing in the morning or as late at night as possible. The cooler the fuel when sitting at the station tank, the more dense that it is. Filling your car up slowly not only nets you more gas, but also allows a more thorough fill. The faster that the pump is running, the more likely you are to get fumes from their tank. You're also more likely to get air pockets in your fuel tank that try vent when filling fast, which the pump may interpret as "pressure" and shut off early. Whether or not you can get someone else filling up your car to work with you on this may be tough. Sean
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 07:32 PM
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It pulls toward the passenger's side, or towards the ditch.
Oregon's gas stations are "half-serve," meaning they pump the gas but you wash your own windows, so I doubt that they'll do anything different than the law says (like not topping off, etc.). They typically stick it in, turn it on and prop the lever, and wait for it to click, then you're done.
But I'll definitely take that advice of going early in the morning. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 10:01 PM
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 10:28 PM
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Good point.
I've been going by +/- a gallon for my calulations, so it works out to around +/- 2 MPG. I can also use how long it takes until I need to refill it. Right now, one tank lasts about a week (driving 40 miles daily, M-F). If it lasts a week and a half, I've made a darn good improvement. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 06:36 AM
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The above information that i posted came from truck drivers that pull fuel tankers for a living and know the in's and out's of their job. While they are dealing with hundreds if not thousands of gallons at a time, i'll have to assume that the same situations that they deal with come up with filling our "tanks" too. Maybe on a much smaller scale, but none the less, it may be enough to make a difference. Either way, i was simply trying to pass on what i had been told by what i consider to be experts in their field. Whether or not someone chooses to believe, let alone use such info is strictly up to them.
As far as the Earth insulating the underground fuel tanks from ambient temperatures, that is partially true. We have had pumps located in the tanks freeze up here in the winter and the stations would have to close down because of it. Depending on what the local water table for the soil in your area is and how deep the tanks are, this might or might not be something to consider.
Many station owners are aware of the effects that higher temps have on thinning fuel out, and as such, have installed heaters in their underground tanks. They leave the heaters on in the summer, as the fuel thins out as the temp climbs. Once the fuel is metered and put into your tank, the temp drops and the gas "shrinks" accordingly. In effect, you pay for more fuel than you really got. What the pump metered was gas & fumes, as the fumes take up volume too. When the fumes dissipate, that volume is lost and your gas gauge drops in rapid fashion.
If you doubt this, look into some of the trucking forums where fuel quality is a major topic of concern. When you're buying 300 - 400 gallons of fuel at a time for a vehicle that gets 5 - 8 mpg's, fuel consumption and / or fuel "trickery" can make or break you. Sean
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 06:49 AM
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They burn diesel man. I pity the fool that puts a heater in a gasoline tank!
AS WAS NOTED, there are seasonal temp fluctuations but daily??? Think about it.
I suppose when a tanker fills an underground tank in the summer his load could be "hot" if it sat outside a long time... once in the underground it would eventually have to assume the temp at that depth, whatever that is. When I see tankers filling I don't pull in to fill my car- not for that reason, but because of the chance they might be stirring junk up. Yeah, it's filtered, but still. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 03:34 PM
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The diesel tankers are hauling gas to the stations.
The heaters have been going into the tanks at fuel stations. As previously mentioned, this thins the fuel out and allows them to pump more gallonage than they actually have, raising their profit margin. Once the fuel condenses in your tank from cooling off, you end up with less fuel than what you actually paid for. At the time of testing and measuring though, the fuel is still warm enough to measure accurately.
They put the heaters in under the guise of keeping the fuel from freezing or gelling up in the winter. Then they leave the heaters on in the summer, as it makes them more money. Diesel is more susceptible to this as it is a thicker fuel and thins out even more than gasoline, hence it being more common in the diesel market.
As far as daily temp fluctuations go, come to Chicago and watch the weather. We've recently been going from in the high 30's to high 60's in less than a day. Happens all the time around here. If you don't like the weather in Chicago, stick around a half an hour. Sean
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 07:21 PM
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Heaters are in DIESEL tanks. DIESEL. Yes there is one diesel Tempo guy on here. The rest of us- no.
Daily temp fluctuations UNDERGROUND and that's the last time I'm going to say it.  |
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Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 01:33 AM
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Anyway...
Tuft-tested the vortex generators. Definitely had an effect. Airflow stays attached down the middle, and they produce the spiral vortex you see on some airplanes on the sides. Don't have a camera, so no helpful pictures, but the pieces of yarn were straight down the middle, then forming a large circle on the sides, spinning counter-clockwise if you're standing behind the car and looking at the passenger's side of the rear window.
Also, the muffler arrived today! Don't have time to put it in, though, probably until the weekend, but that'll give more time to check the effectiveness of the alignment and vortex generators on mileage, then look a the muffler's effect separately. The lip spoiler is the last to arrive, and it hasn't gotten here yet.
Now, to study for a Biology midterm... |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2009 - 06:07 AM
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