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Post subject: RE: Finally getting to the springs...
 Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 02:45 PM
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Okay, you went with the stock Moog VR replacements. Just curious : ) Sean
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Post subject: RE: Finally getting to the springs...
Posted: Sep 16, 2009 - 05:57 PM
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| Yeah, I didn't get any ride-height altering ones. I like it where it is, actually. Low enough to have decent aero, but high enough that I don't scrape speed bumps or steep curbs. |
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Post subject: RE: Finally getting to the springs...
Posted: Sep 17, 2009 - 04:30 AM
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You don't have to explain anything to me or justify your choices. It's YOUR car 
You bought good springs. I just asked because there are other springs available for our cars. If you carry a LOT of weight in the back end on a regular basis, you might have been better off with some other models. As it is, get that other strut replaced ASAP. This will not only improve the ride and stabilize the handling characteristics, but also take some of the load off of the one new one that you just installed. Sean
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Post subject: RE: Finally getting to the springs...
Posted: Sep 17, 2009 - 06:13 AM
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Post subject: RE: Finally getting to the springs...
Posted: Sep 17, 2009 - 05:23 PM
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I put on a Gabriel Ultra, and I'm not sure what type that is, whether it's gas or not.
I mainly wanted the cargo springs in the rear for the trip to Oregon, where my girlfriend and I are going to be hauling all of our stuff, and ourselves, a good 650 miles. |
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Post subject: RE: Finally getting to the springs...
Posted: Sep 17, 2009 - 11:11 PM
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Gabriel Ultra are gas struts and very good ones at that.
and only your coils keep the car up your shock are just a isolation of the coil bounce . ........... ect ++++ better shocks better ride and handeling. |
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Post subject: RE: Finally getting to the springs...
Posted: Sep 18, 2009 - 01:50 AM
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| I'll most likely put some softer shocks in the front. I've been told having a stiffer rear suspension in a FWD helps dial out understeer. |
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Post subject: RE: Finally getting to the springs...
Posted: Dec 13, 2009 - 01:13 AM
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| can those go on both the front and rear? |
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Post subject: RE: Finally getting to the springs...
Posted: Dec 14, 2009 - 02:22 AM
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If you've got no damping action from one strut, that spring will continue to oscillate. The added oscillation from one side of the vehicle not only reduces ride and handling characteristics, it causes the other spring and strut to deal with added stress that would otherwise normally be damped. As such, the struts do bear a portion of the load and are designed for a certain ride height. Sean
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Post subject: RE: Finally getting to the springs...
Posted: Dec 14, 2009 - 06:57 AM
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| As jtzins said, the struts do not bear vertical load, unless of course you consider the small amount of gas they may be charged with. They are not intended to bear load, just like shocks aren't. They only dampen. Now one could argue they TEMPORARILY bear SOME load, as they compress. Every suspension course lays that out in training. The 'designed for a certain ride height' statement is misleading, it seems to infer that they help establish that height. Not so. They are made so that their available working length is centered on that ride height so as to be used to maximum advantage. |
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Post subject: RE: Finally getting to the springs...
Posted: Dec 15, 2009 - 07:28 AM
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This is getting into a matter of semantics here.
If the struts never encountered any portion of the load, they wouldn't be damping anything. In most cases, the struts are ALWAYS under a certain amount of load. That is, so long as the car is travelling on anything less than a perfectly level road.
If the springs are worn to any noticeable extent, the ride height of the vehicle is altered. In such a case, the struts are compressed to a greater degree and their operating range is reduced. As such, the struts will no longer work as just a damper since they themselves have become part of the load bearing capacity of the suspension. It is this added load that the strut is not designed to deal with that causes them to develop leaks or flat out blow their seals and quit working.
We can argue these points to infinity based on theory, but in the real world with 15+ year old cars, i sincerely doubt that most of them have suspensions / springs that are working like the day they rolled off of the assembly lines. Sean
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Post subject: RE: Finally getting to the springs...
Posted: Dec 15, 2009 - 04:53 PM
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Post subject: RE: Finally getting to the springs...
Posted: Dec 15, 2009 - 07:17 PM
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I think my left front strut is dead. When I hit some bumps that make the springs bounce, my left front and right rear bounce up and down on me. Hasn't done that before.
When I get back from Cali and get my next round of financial aid, I'll be replacing the rest of the struts and the front springs. |
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Post subject: RE: Finally getting to the springs...
Posted: Dec 19, 2009 - 11:17 PM
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| if it helps any i have found that on most of the suspension it usually takes a 19/32nds socket or wrench....fits perfect every time! |
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Post subject: RE: Finally getting to the springs...
Posted: Jan 07, 2010 - 09:21 PM
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It's all in Metric, actually.
I've FINALLY finished swapping all the struts/springs. I now have Moog VR cargo coils and Gabriel Ultra struts on all 4 corners. Feels a **** of a lot better, considering all the other struts were dead. The stock front springs look okay, though. |
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